The CIA has concluded that Russia intervened in the election to help you win the presidency.
We'll take you behind the scenes for an all-access
look at a day in the life of the Trump transition.
Now, let's go to election night. You were prepared to lose.
And as he makes his unofficial debut as commander-in-chief
at the Army/Navy game.
We sit down at Trump Tower to discuss the big decisions he's made so far and preview what's ahead, on the cabinet he's putting together.
Fair to say
you're going to take a wrecking ball to the Obama legacy?
Whether he trusts the intelligence community.
These are the folks you're going to have to rely on to know what's
going on in the world.
And, will he cut his ties to Trump businesses?
You're keeping your stake in "Celebrity Apprentice." You're going to keep your stake in your real
estate business. Isn't that a huge conflict of interest, sir?
President-elect Donald Trump one on one. It's a "Fox News Sunday" exclusive.
Then, we'll ask our Sunday panel
about some of the Trump picks who have been fighting the departments they're now set to lead.
All, right now, on "Fox News Sunday."
And hello again from
Fox News in Washington.
Donald Trump is running a presidential transition unlike any other, acting in some ways as if he's already commander in chief.
Because of that,
we're calling this hour "The Trump Way".
The president-elect sat down with us for his first in-depth interview since he started naming his cabinet and setting his agenda
for an administration that starts in less than six weeks.
We began with breaking news. The explosive story that the CIA has determined Russia hacked into Democratic files
not just to destabilize the U.S. election but to push a specific objective.
According to The Washington Post, the CIA has concluded that Russia
intervened in the election to help you win the presidency. Your reaction?
DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENT-ELECT: I think it's ridiculous. I think it's just another excuse. I
don't believe it. I don't know why, and I think it's just you know, they talked about all sorts of things. Every week, it's another excuse.
We had a massive landslide
victory, as you know, in the Electoral College. I guess the final numbers are now at 306. She's down to a very low number.
No, I don't believe that at all.
You say you
don't know why. Do you think the CIA is trying to overturn the results of the election No, I don't think [CROSSTALK]
somehow to weaken you in office?
Well, if you look
at the story and you take a look at what they said, there's great confusion. Nobody really knows.
And hacking is very interesting. Once they hack, if you don't catch them
in the act, you're not going to catch them. They have no idea if it's Russia or China or somebody. It could be somebody sitting in a bed some place. I mean, they have no
So, why would the CIA put out this story that the Russians wanted you to win?
I'm not sure they put it out. I think the Democrats are putting it out because they
suffered one of the greatest defeats in the history of politics in this country. And, frankly, I think they're putting it out. It's ridiculous.
We ought to get back to
making America great again, which is what we're going to do. And we've already started the process.
You've said repeatedly you don't believe the intelligence community's
analysis that the Russians were involved.
Take a look. They're not sure. They're fighting among themselves. They're not sure.
But the question is, these are the folks
you're going to have to rely on to know what's going on in the world?
Of course, we're going to make (ph) changes, you know, at the top. I mean, we're going to
have different people coming in because we have our people, they have their people. And I have great respect for them.
But if you read the stories, the various stories,
they're disputing. And certain groups don't necessarily agree. Personally, it could be Russia. It I don't really think it is. But who knows? I don't know either. They
don't know and I don't know.
I just want to ask you about your skepticism about the intelligence community. You are getting the presidential daily brief Yes.
only once a
Well, I get it when I need it.
First of all, these are very good people that are giving me the briefings. If something should change from this point, immediately
call me. I'm available on one minute's notice.
I don't have to be told you know, I'm like a smart person. I don't have to be told the same thing and the same words every
single day for the next eight years. It could be eight years but eight years. I don't need that.
But I do say if something should change, let us know. Now, in the
meantime, my generals are great, are being briefed. Mike Pence is being briefed, who is, by the way, one of my very good decisions. He's terrific. And they're being
briefed. And I'm being briefed also.
But if they're going to come in and tell me the exact same thing that they told me, you know, that doesn't change necessarily. There
might be times where it might change. I mean, there will be some very fluid situations. I'll be there not every day but more than that.
But I don't need to be told,
Chris, the same thing every day, every morning, same words. Sir, nothing has changed. Let's go over it again. I don't need that.
President Obama just ordered a full
review of Russia's involvement, hacking in the election. And Democrats are now calling for hearings.
Do you think this is part of an effort to undercut you?
Well, it could
be. I think President Obama's been terrific. He's been very respectful of the process and everything else. So, I saw that.
But and I want it too. I think it's great. I
think I don't want anyone hacking us. And I'm not only talking about countries. I'm talking about anyone, period.
But if you're going to do that, I think you should not
just say Russia, you should say other countries also, and maybe other individuals. It's not necessarily Do you think this is a political effort here?
It could be. I mean,
it could be. Hey, look, we had many people saying one of the great victories of all time. They're very embarrassed.
We'll have much more of our exclusive
interview with Mr. Trump a little later.
Who will he choose for secretary of state, and will he really cut all ties to the Trump businesses?
But first, we also went on a
road trip with the president-elect to the Army/Navy game, a rivalry dating back to 1890. And along the way, we learned a lot about the style of our new
We pulled out of Trump Tower in a full-scale presidential motorcade. Streets in Midtown Manhattan were blocked off, and the crowd
watched signaled how they felt about the president-elect.
At LaGuardia, we drove right up to Trump Force One. It was the first time we could find a president-elect was
going to an Army/Navy game. Mr. Trump climbed on board the plane, he says, is a step up from Air Force One.
Much of his team was there. Chief of staff Reince Priebus and
senior adviser Steve Bannon, national security adviser, General Mike Flynn, and Rudy Giuliani, who just took himself out of the running for secretary of state.
leveled off, I asked the president-elect about his new life.
Army/Navy game, in a sense, is this your unofficial debut as commander-in-chief?
No, it's just something I've
wanted to see. It's beautiful. It's hopefully going to be a good game. But really just something I want to see. It's the Armed Forces, the way I look at it. And I love and
respect the Armed Forces.
I mean, it's going to be I think we're going to have a good time.
You spent five years at the New York Military Academy, a boarding school,
where you became the captain of cadets. What did you learn there about military discipline?
Well, I learned that I respected it. I respect people in the military. And I
always have, at least since I've been there.
And we had military people there. We had drill sergeants and colonels. We actually had a general. I always respected those
people. I learned at a young age, they're terrific.
There is a lot of curiosity about your lifestyle as president. Are you going to live in the White House? Are you going
to spend most of your time at Trump Tower?
No, I'm going to live in the White House with my family. Baron is going to finish up school because he's got just a couple
months to go. So, it's a little hard to take him out of school. And Melania will be back and forth for that first couple of months.
No, we'll be staying in the White
You talk about the fact that Mrs. Trump is going to stay back in New York with Baron until he finishes school. Are you going to be lonely rattling around in the
White House by yourself for a few months?
No, I'll be working. I'll be working. It's a very special place and it represents so much. And there's a lot to do. There's a
lot to do. More than I even thought.
It's so many things we can do to make America great again. That's what it's all about. And I'll be working. I won't be lonely at
Are your daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner, are they moving to Washington?
Well, we're working that out right now. They're both very talented people. I
won't be involved in my business at all, even though I have a legal right to be under the laws, as you know, because the president has a certain doctrine that he can do
But I just don't want to do it. Even if I could do it, which I'm allowed to, I wouldn't want to. I want to devote my time What about them? Are they going to are
Well, theirs is a little bit different. And I think we'll have to see how the laws read. I would love to be able to have them involved.
If you look at Ivanka,
you take a look, she's so strong, as you know, to the women's issue and childcare, and so many things she'd be so good. Nobody can do better than her. I'd just have to see
whether or not we can do that. She'd like to do that.
I'd love to have Jared helping us on deals with other nations and see if we can do peace in the Middle East and
other things. He's very talented. He's a very talented guy. So, we're looking at that from a legal standpoint right now.
Then, it was on to the stadium for the
First, a meeting with a group of Army cadets and Navy midshipmen.
Who's going to win? Who's going to win?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One picture, one
And when he appeared in public to greet the crowd from a balcony, he received a big ovation.
Later, we asked the president-elect about attending a game
that now has special resonance for him.
So, what do you think?
I think it's fantastic. These are incredible people. You see the enthusiasm, the spirit. Incredible.
going to be the commander-in-chief in six weeks.
You're going to be in charge of these young men and women. Thoughts about that?
Big responsibility. We have to make
the right decisions. You know, it really is it's a daunting responsibility. And we'll do the job.
And if you missed it, Army beat Navy 21-17, its first
victory over the midshipmen in 15 years.
Coming up, much more of our exclusive interview with Donald Trump. We ask him to clear up exactly where he stands on climate
change and about that big cabinet pick he still has to make for secretary of state as "Fox News Sunday" continues its special coverage of "The Trump Way".
And we're back now with our exclusive interview with Donald Trump. The campaign is over, but the president-elect continues to break the rules when it comes to
building his administration and setting his agenda. And that's where we began this part of the conversation.
We're calling this program "The Trump Way",
because I got to tell you, in almost 40 years of covering presidential transitions, I've never seen anything like this. You are setting markers for foreign countries.
You're telling corporations and unions what to do. And you're in the even in office yet.
What can we expect when you're actually the president?
I want to make good deals
for this country. I don't need a $4.2 billion airplane to fly around in, OK? I don't need that, especially when it's totally out of control. You know, they've lost control
of it. I let them know that I don't want this.
I just see things that's if you look at the F-35 program with the money, the hundreds of billions of dollars, and it's out
of control. And the people that are making these deals for the government, they should never be allowed to go to work for these companies.
You know, they make a deal like
that and two or three years later, you see them working for these companies that made the deal. I'm going to a very you know, lobbyists I'm doing. This is bigger than the
lobbyists. When people order from these massive companies, these massive deals, I don't want the people making these horrible and they're horrible deals the overruns,
the cost overruns, I don't want them going to work for the companies after the deals are made. They should have a lifetime restriction.
In the last few days, you have
named cabinet heads, Department Agency people at EPA, at labor, at health and human services, education, who are diametrically opposed to what those agencies have been
doing for the last eight years. Fair to say you're going to take a wrecking ball to the Obama legacy?
No, no. No, I don't want to do that at all. I just want what's
right. EPA, you can't get things approved. People are waiting in line for 15 years before they get rejected, OK?
That's why people don't want to invest in this country. I
mean, you look at what's going on and you can look at a jobs report, but take a look at the real jobs report, which are the millions of people that gave up looking for
work, and they're not considered in that number that's less than 5 percent. OK?
I mean, we have jobs that are in the pipeline, and I deal with all the executives, the big
ones and the small ones. I have really gotten to know this country.
And when you have to wait 10 and 15 years for an approval and then you don't even get the approval,
it's no good.
Let me ask you So, we're going to clean it up. We're going to speed it up. And, by the way, if somebody is not doing the right thing, we're not going to
Let's talk about the environment because in the last week, you met with Al Gore and you met with Leo DiCaprio, famous environmentalist.
Sure. And they were good
On the other hand, you appointed Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt to be head of the EPA.
Sped up (ph) the process.
He's been suing EPA.
At one point
in the campaign, you said it's a hoax.
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Yes, I think it's a big scam for a lot of people to make a lot of money. In the meantime, China is eating our
lunch because they don't partake in all of the rules and regulations that we do.
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On the other hand, you told The New York Times, you're open-minded about
I am open-minded.
So, where are you on the environment?
I'm still open-minded. Nobody really knows.
I've look, I'm somebody that gets it. And nobody really knows.
It's not something that's so hard and fast.
I do know this: other countries are eating our lunch. If you look at what China is doing, if you look at what I could name
country after country. You look at what's happening in Mexico where our people just our plants are being built. They don't wait ten years to get an approval to build a
plant, OK? They build it like the following day or the following week.
We can't let all of these permits that take forever to get stop our jobs. I won because of the fact
that people that are great, great American people have been forgotten. I call them the forgotten man and the forgotten woman. They've been forgotten.
And you, in all
fairness, and all of the folks in your world, and business, you forgot about these people. They're not going to forget about them in four years. They're already trying to
figure out what happened. But I understood it because I understand our country.
Let me ask you a couple specific questions. Will you still pull out of the Paris climate
agreement, which has been signed by more than 100 countries to reduce carbon emissions? Will you restart the Dakota Access Pipeline, which the Army just stopped?
me not answer the Dakota because perhaps that'll be solved by the time I get there, so I don't have to create enemies on one side or the other. But I will tell you when I
get to office, if it's not solved, I'll have it solved very quickly.
Meaning you're going to start it?
I'm not saying anything. I just say something will happen, and
it'll be quick. I think it's very unfair. So, it'll start one way or the other.
You'll have a decision pretty quickly. And also, the Keystone Pipeline, you're
going to have a decision fairly quickly. And you'll see that.
Now, Paris, I'm studying. I do say this I don't want that agreement to put us at a competitive disadvantage
with other countries. As you know, there are different times and different time limits on that agreement. I don't want that to give China or other countries signing
agreements and advantage over us.
You have already named three retired generals for top positions. Any concern about having too No.
many military men at the top of your
Well, President Obama named three generals also. And, you know, these are tremendous people. Sort of in certain cases, they transitioned into civilian
But I like generals. I think generals are terrific. You know, they go through schools and sort of end up at the top of the pyramid. And it's like a test.
the test of life. That's how they got to be a general and other people didn't. So I sort of like generals. I like the three that I have very, very much.
Have you settled
on a secretary of state?
I'm getting very close. Getting very, very close.
Do you know who it's going to be?
I just have I have someone in mind that I think will be
really fabulous. I think we're going to have one of the great cabinets ever put together. We're getting that kind of review.
Let me ask you about Rex Tillerson, head of
ExxonMobil. Why does a business executive make sense as the chief diplomat?
Well, in his case, he's much more than a business executive. I mean, he's a world class player.
He's in charge of, I guess, the largest company in the world. He's in charge of an oil company that's pretty much double the size of his next nearest competitor. It's been
a company that's been unbelievably managed.
And to me, a great advantage is he knows many of the players. And he knows them well. He does massive deals in Russia. He does
massive deals for the company, not for himself, but the company.
He's the secretary of state No, no, but I have I have tremendous respect for him. He's a world class
I'm trying to get you to say I have others I know you are and you're doing very well. But I have others also that I think I mean, Bob Corker is a fantastic guy.
Mitt Romney, I've really gotten to know him, and I get along with him really well.
But these are you know, these are all very different types of people. But when you ask
me about Rex, I mean, he's a world-class player. There's no question about it.
Just after our interview, there were media reports that Mr. Trump has
decided to name Tillerson to be secretary of state. He denied he's made a final decision. And during our ride on Trump Force One, he was still asking his advisers who they
think he should nominate, but don't bet against Rex Tillerson.
Coming up, we ask Mr. Trump about his controversial call with the president of Taiwan. Was he sending China
a message? And what will become of his business once he's sworn in? As "Fox News Sunday's The Trump Way" continues.
Coming up, Donald Trump tries to
draw a line between the presidency and all his businesses.
[BEGIN VIDEO CLIP]
You're keeping your stake in "Celebrity Apprentice."
I'm so focused on doing a great job as
[END VIDEO CLIP]
We'll ask our Sunday panel about possible conflicts of interest Mr. Trump may encounter, next on "Fox News Sunday."
we're back now with this special edition of "Fox News Sunday," "The Trump Way".
Donald Trump rattled the relationship between China and the U.S. when he spoke with the
leader of Taiwan, breaking with decades of U.S. diplomacy. Now, he's doubling down on that decision.
Back to our exclusive interview with the president-elect.
You recently took a call from the president of Taiwan, and on the Sunday shows, including ours, some of your top aides said, oh, it was just a congratulatory
call. But the next day, some of your top aides said, no, in fact, you had been thinking about this for weeks in advance to send a message.
So, which is it?
Oh, it's all
wrong. No, no. It's all wrong. Not weeks.
I took a call. I heard the call was coming probably an hour or two before. I fully understand the One-China policy. But I don't
know why we have to be bound by a One-China policy unless we make a deal with China having to do with other things, including trade.
I mean, look, we're being hurt very
badly by China with devaluation, with taxing us heavy at the borders when we don't tax them, with building a massive fortress in the middle of the South China Sea, which
they shouldn't be doing.
And, frankly, they're not helping us at all with North Korea. You have North Korea, you have nuclear weapons, and China could solve that problem.
And they're not helping us at all.
So, I don't want China dictating to me. And this was a call put into me. I didn't make the call. And it was a call, very short call,
saying, "Congratulations, sir, on the victory." It was a very nice call. Short.
And why should some other nation be able to say, I can't take a call? I think it would
have been very disrespectful, to be honest with you, not taking it.
You recently intervened with Carrier to save about a thousand jobs from moving to Mexico.
said at one of your rallies you're asking for a list of ten companies that are thinking about sourcing so you can call them as well. Should the president of the United
States be calling companies? I mean, how would you have felt if Barack Obama gets on the phone and says, "Hey, Donald, here's how I want you to do business"?
I would have
been honored. So, let me just tell you Honored?
I don't have to do it myself. I have great people. We have top, top smart people. But it's so easy to do.
And we're going
to have to impose a major tax on companies that leave, bill their product, and think they're going to sell it right to our border, like we're a bunch of [CROSSTALK]
happen to the free market, sir?
That is that's not free market when they go out and move and sell back into our country.
But that's the free market. They've made a
decision that makes No, that's the dumb market, OK? That's the dumb market.
I'm a big free trader. But it has to be fair. So, what's happened is we have lost, over a
period of years, short years, 70,000 factories in this country. Chris, 70,000.
I always say to people, I think it's a typo. How could it be so many? Seventy thousand
factories. We're being stripped of our workers. We're being I mean, we're being stripped of our jobs, our good jobs are really good down, and we've got to stop it. And
the only way you're going to stop it, the nice way is, we're reducing taxes very substantially for companies so they're not going to have to leave because of taxes. We'll
be reducing regulations. Now those are the nice ways of doing it and everyone loves it and everyone's happy. Businesses, way down. Also middle class, but way down, OK,
taxes and regulations.
But when a company wants to move to Mexico or another company or another country and they want to build a nice, beautiful factory and they want to
sell their product through our border, no tax, and the people that all got fired, so we end up with unemployment and debt, and they end up with jobs and factories and all
of the other things, not going to happen that way. And the way you stop it is by imposing a tax.
Now, I've come up with a number of 35 percent. There is no tax if you
don't leave. There is no tax at all. You know, people are saying, they don't understand, really, what I'm doing. I read The Wall Street Journal the other day. Honestly,
their editorial board doesn't get it. I don't think they understand business. I don't think The Wall Street Journal editorial board and I know some of them. They're
really nice. I don't think they understand business. They don't understand what I'm saying.
There's a 35 percent tax, but there is no tax if you don't move. But if you
move your plant or factory and you want to sell back into our country, you fire all your people, there are going to be consequences for that. There are going to be
consequences. You know what's going to happen?
I'll tell you.
Nobody's going to move. They're not going to move. They're not going to leave. They're going to
You're keeping your stake in "Celebrity Apprentice." According to The New York Times, you're going to shift operations, but you're going to keep your stake in
your real estate business.
Well, essentially I'm not going to have anything to do with the management of the company.
I know, but isn't that a huge conflict of interest,
When I ran, everybody knew that I I was a very big owner of real estate all over the world. I mean, I'm not going to have anything to do with the management of the
company. You know, when you sell real estate, that's not like going out and selling a stock. That takes a long time. It takes I have I'm going to have nothing to do with
it. And I'll I'll be honest with you, I don't care about it anymore. I'm so focused on doing a great job as president, I don't care if our rent (ph) (INAUDIBLE) goes up a
little bit or down. I couldn't care less.
But you hammered My my executives will run it with my children. It's a big company. It's a great company. But I'm going to
have nothing to do with management. I But you hammered Hillary Clinton over the Clinton Foundation and pay Well, that's different because And what and She's taken in
massive amounts of money from foreign countries and other things.
And pay to play.
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It is impossible to figure out where the Clinton Foundation ends and
the State Department begins. It is now abundantly clear that's the Clintons set up a business to profit from public office.
[END VIDEO CLIP]
This is different.
a minute, you're going to be making a massive amount of money.
No. If if like somebody rents a hotel a hotel room.
Wait, wait, country wait, wait, foreign foreign
countries are already booking events at the Trump Hotel in D.C. You've got business operations, deals with foreign countries. I mean isn't this on Chris, this is all
stuff that's done Isn't this on steroids that No. No.
Foreign interests trying to curry favor with the president of the United States.
If I were going to do new deals
right now, I am turning down billions of dollars of deals. I will tell you, running for president, the money I spent is peanuts compared to the money I won't make. And
that's OK because this is so important. What I'm doing is so important.
This is a calling. This is so this is a movement. It's not just me, it's millions and millions of
people. You got to see it firsthand. I'm not going to be doing deals at all. No, that would be I don't even know if that's a conflict. I mean I I have the right to do
it. You know under the law I have the right to do it. I just don't want to do it. I don't want to do deals because I want to focus on this.
But by my not doing deals, I
turned down seven deals with one big player, great player, last week because I thought it could be perceived as a conflict of interest.
But your are you going to be able
to do it (ph).
It was it was probably a billion dollars of deals that I turned down because it was But if your kids do it, isn't it going to be the same thing?
totally different. They're not they're not they're not president. I mean, they're not president. But they're not going to do it either. Oh, I see what you're getting at.
No, they're not making deals either for my company.
They're not making deals. And they're going to run my company. I have a lot of property and great stuff.
They're going to run it. They're going to run it. Hopefully they're going to run it properly. I'm sure they're going to run it properly. But I'm not going to do deals. And
I think, you know, I think that's going to be good.
How many times have you spoken to Barack Obama since you were in the Oval Office with him? What do you guys talk
about? And has he persuaded you on any of his policies?
So we disagree on things, but we haven't really discussed things that we disagree on. I've spoken to him another
time. I'm going to be speaking to him today actually. He has treated me really well. He's made us feel very welcome.
But on the Iran nuclear deal, relations with
Well, I don't want to tell you what we discuss, but and some of it I've agreed with him a lot. You know, people don't read about the stuff that you agree on. But
there are things that we disagree on. And probably never going to be able to change that. But we do get along well. I'm I'm surprised at how well we get along. And I
think he might say the same thing. And I think you're seeing that from him.
Mr. President-elect Thank you.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
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